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82riceballs -

i have often come across the word 則 and am wondering what it actually means.
e.g. when explaining 寸草春暉:
[寸草] 是比喻子女，[春暉] 則是比喻父母‧

i think it means "on the other hand" or something similar, but i'm not sure because i can't find
that in the dictionary.

i've also come across 具有(also not in the dictionary). i'm completely clueless as to what this
means.

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Lu -

According to the Yahoo dictionary, 具有 means 'to be provided with; to have; to possess'.

則 is a particle to link two sentences, it doesn't have much meaning of itself. Can mean
something to the effect of 'so, and, thus' or what else is fitting. In your example, 'but' or 'on
the other hand' would work, or you can leave it untranslated.

I hope this helps!










gougou -



Quote:

i've also come across 具有(also not in the dictionary).

Are you sure that's not in the dictionary? Check under ju4you3. Should it actually not be in
there, I'd recommend getting a new dictionary.

則 (ze2) should also be in any dictionary, but not necessarily for the meaning it takes in the
example you provided.










rootfool -

check it here:


Quote:

(3) 表示相反或对照 [however]

具有


Quote:

◎ 具有 jùyǒu

(1) [possess]∶拥有 [财产、附属物、属性或其他附属的特征等]

具有很大的耐心

(2) [have]∶拥有,保有

这场运动具有深远的历史意义












yeah.right -

the smilar meaning with 就。










82riceballs -

thanks!










mandel1luke -

Yes, you're right, "on the other hand"












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madizi -

I'll start to teach English in September at college in Changsha and would like to know about your
experience in this matter. How should I behave in classroom? Which teaching methods did you use?

Do you know any good webpages with English teaching materials, especially business Chinese or
something about insurance profession?

Thank you in advance!



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roddy -

Maybe look for business news stories on the BBC's Learning English site?










simonlaing -

Hey madizi,

Have fun in Hunan, the food is good, nice and spicy. Make sure you go to Zhang Jia Jie, it's
amazing.
Anyway for teaching the key idea is to keep changing the activity every 10-15 minutes so the
students don't get board. If it is like most places you will get a massive class of 30 that you
will only see once a week,
Back in the day I followed this format.
Warm-up 5 -10 minutes
Introduce vocabulary , read, have them read and correct the pronunciation. Apple , banana etc.. 10
minutes
Have a review time? where you ask them personal questions about the topic? What is your favorite
fruit? Which are better Apples or Bananas 10 minutes

The last 20 minutes or so we would play a games, (several on www.genkienglish.net/games.htm, or
Dave's ESL cafe) or make up a funny skit of haggling to reduce the price of fruit or trying to
decide which friut is the best.
Also look for props for your classes. You could buy the fruit your self, or do what I did and
borrow the plastique fruit from the kindergarten. (They have great stuff there)
I played one game using the Water cooler cart and they had to go to different stations ask the
price , buy so many of something and calculate it. I had a stop watch and had a couple of teams do
it to compete it was a riot. )

Be careful of making your classes to fun other teachers will come to investigate and check with a
glare, how can you learn when they are laughing so much.

Bring clipart and or ESL books if you can because you won't find quality ones in China.

BE prepared to be a rockstar,
Have fun,
Simon










madizi -

Thank you both. Simon, you helped me a lot.

I did teaching before in Slovenian university, teaching Chinese. But I didn't teach English
before. I assume that teaching English is not the same as teaching Chinese.

I'll have classes with 50 students in each of them. I hope that I'll get a classroom with
multimedia (computer, LCD projector, speakers,...), but I don't know if I could get it, so I have
to be prepared for ordinary class with blackboard and chalk.

So, I have to be rockstar? OK, let's rock......

Any other ideas or experiences?










Rincewind -

College students tend to have longer attention spans than high school, so you can maybe expand
some ideas. I used to have a class at a University where they had me teaching the same students
for 4 hours back to back then the next day a different group of students for another 4 hours
continuous English. That took quite a bit of preparation as you had to have plenty of material to
keep talking for 4 hours.

The British Council web site at http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/ has be a source of many of my
lesson plans. The BBC worldservice has a teachers resource at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/le...achingenglish/ and https://www.onestopenglish.com/ has
some. There are loads more sites, just Google for 'teach English' or similar.

Always write your lesson plan. That way you can reuse them later. Always be prepared for the
unexpected. Have two lessons planed so if one flops you can do the other. Especially true if you
have a multimedia based lesson and the computer/projector/dvd decides not to play fair.

Make picture flash cards for the vocabulary. They work with college students just as well as with
kindergarten. You can also use them to make games and activities.

Put variety into your class. I'm often told to teach only spoken English. I never obey this. I
need to use a little bit of reading or writing to break the tedium and keep the students
attention. I just keep such activities short. If you make the class varied in this way, I find the
students don't pester me for a game.

Find a text book to use. I'm currently using the Interchange English range published by Cambridge
Uni Press. You can buy it in china for about 40 yuan of a bit more for the teachers version. There
are many other popular books. Your college might recommend one. You can then use this book as a
syllabus for your lessons. It also gives you a source of exercises that you can adapt and expand.










madizi -

Thank you.

Do you know of any internet site or Windows application for flashcards?

And yes, I was told to teach pronunciation, but I think that I won't stick to that. Besides
reading and writting, it would be also nice to review grammar. But then, my preparations would be
very time consuming. I don't know how to decide.....












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heifeng -

Apparently according to 中药 baby pee is suppose to have some type of medicinal value...I don't
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imron -

Yep I read them as well. Always good to know what's out there if I ever get around to finding the
time to study.










roddy -



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this book 普通话测试辅导与训练, isbn 7-301-11079-0 北京大学出版社.

Picked this up on your recommendation as I need a bunch of pronunciation exercises. Seems very
good, lots of . . . well, pronunciation exercises. Pinyin for most, but not all. Came with 4 cds,
almost three hours worth. Not bad for 30Y. I'd probably recommend BLCU's 汉语语音教程 over
this as that's geared up to foreign learners rather than people from '方言区' like this, but it
does have better quality audio and the info on the problems people with different dialects have is
kind of interesting.










heifeng -

Yeah! Roddy jumped on the 'torture myself with pronunciation practices' train. The only bad thing
about that book is the cd's don't cover the langdu, so you can download them from this link










roddy -

They don't? That might be a problem if I ever open the book. Thanks for the tip.










heifeng -

Ok, I finally found this link where I recommended another book. Anyway, this is another
pronunciation book that comes with tapes, (not part of the 12.50 yuan though) and is used at some
schools to help 纠正发音

Does the book you refer to address foreign students from many backgrounds and have langdu
passages? I found that some books, for example the HSK 前强化-口式（高等）tends to
address Japanese and Korean pronunciation problems, but that was it. Overall, I have never seen
any advice I have received from teachers in pronunciation textbooks. However, I have had some
great teachers with very good experience that could point out the 'western' students pronunciation
problems right away. (Aside from tones it was usually an issue of speaking too much from our
throats and not letting the sounds really come out form the front of our mouths... etc.). Many of
my teachers definitely recommend reading outloud.

Oh, yeah FYI during the putonghua exam, my friend was able to randomly draw two langdu readings,
and then from the two, pick which one she wanted to do. (She avoided number 7 or something,
whichever one it was with alot of numbers).

Secondly, her exam didn't include that one 'optional' section for fangyan speakers.










cdn_in_bj -

Sorry to jump in here, but why is it called "langdu"?










roddy -

I think it mentions western students, Japanese, Korean, and Thai. It doesn't go into a great deal
of detail though, it's more just a case of 'students from country X may have trouble with sound A.
So be careful.'










imron -



Quote:

Sorry to jump in here, but why is it called "langdu"?

朗读










cdn_in_bj -

Thanks Imron!












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helenlee -

I like the last sentense: If rainbow is the symble of our colorful and rich life, white will be as
the perfect foil to differnent colors, which make life more colorful.










helenlee -

hehe, I believe you will take more beautiful pictures soon.












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skylee -



Quote:

I prefer a word that describes the action of diving because "slant down" doesn't have the dynamics
contained in "dive" or "plunge"

Then try 飛縱 -> 今天我看見一道彩虹飛縱進海洋裏。 You see it starts in the sky
and then the band of colours lengthens, goes down, glittering, shimmering, and then fshhh it
plunges into the ocean.

飛 = to fly

縱 = 縱身

The best measure word for rainbows is 道.



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Myriam -

ooooh...nooooo...I just saw the mistake I made @ post # 13!!!
I copied and pasted the wrong character, it should be :
我今天看見一道彩虹倾入大海。

Thank you for your suggestion Skylee but I prefer 倾入.



---
edit : I copied the right character - the one I wanted to copy - but pasted it in the wrong place,
over the wrong question mark . I started the thread with simplified script, why should I switch to
Trad. all of a sudden .










h.way -

hi Myriam,
I think you should not tanslate the phrase into Chinese word by word ,the way you translate is so
directly.In Chinese wo seek for a more consise and poetic way to express meaning,not only base on
the sentence stucture










chenpv -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Myriam

Chenpv, I don't need this kind of comment : "Yeah, in terms of my limited understandings of both
languages." I know you don't mean you have a limited understanding of your mother tongue so,
please, if you could refrain from doing that in the future I'd be much obliged to you. too.


謹記！ It was just ... I did worry, without referring to authentic resources, my understanding
could be misleading sometimes. What is more, there are many many native speakers (even non-native
speakers) in this forum, whose Chinese surpasses mine and whose explanations are more valuable,
and I just hesitated to answer that question in an over affirmative way...










semantic nuance -



Quote:

Semantic nuance suggested "slant down" towards the ocean but I prefer a word that describes the
action of diving because "slant down" doesn't have the dynamics contained in "dive" or "plunge"

It's quite all right that you would want to describe the action by using words like 'diving' or
'plunge'. You misunderstood what I was driving at. I just said the word 傾 means 'slant down' as
the online dictionary defines. Since 'slant down' does not fit the dynamics you prefer, 傾, as I
said, is a quite strange verb here. 傾 does not have any indication or implication of 'plunge'
but 'slant down'.


Quote:

wow...I feel like I'm being bullied by people who absolutely don't want me to have a rainbow
diving into the ocean!!

There, there! People won't have any problem with your wishing a rainbow, be it diving or plunging
into sea. What we were doing is to help you to find out the appropriate translations.



Quote:

Chenpv, I know you don't mean you have a limited understanding of your mother tongue

Wow! So that means you don't have a limited understanding of your mother tongue? I cannot be so
sure of myself, though.










Myriam -

yeah yeah....I'm the only one who noticed my mistake, I'm happy I did.










madizi -

I'm just curious, why did you posted such question in tatoo section? Do you want to have such long
tatoo?










Myriam -

Madizi, I posted my question in the " Chinese Tattoos, Chinese Names and Quick Translations"
section, thanks for cheering me up ().










中国人逛海外论坛 -

your"" is ok ,but i think the best is "今天，我看见一道彩虹跃出海面",this is not
only ok ,but excellent.And your sentence should better be
"今天我看到了一个彩虹倾没于海洋里”excuse me for my poor english.










skylee -



Quote:

but i think the best is "今天，我看见一道彩虹跃出海面",this is not only ok ,but
excellent.

自己讚自己excellent，不會臉紅嗎？

PS - If you were praising the sentence in this post, then I apologise for not having read the who
thread through.












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skylee -

It is a beautiful name. Reminds me of Moses' sister Miriam.



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Reminds me of Moses' sister Miriam.

Or maybe this Miriam :










skylee -

Indeed.










Quest -

I suppose someone could have made up a type of song called 念经歌, and someone was singing it,
so it became 唱 念经歌. It's not popular vocabulary.










Myriam -

I know this expression is far from elegant, but I'm a bit surprised by all this reluctance towards
trying to perceive the analogy between what could be called an excessively introverted "scenic
language" and the traditional rendition of 念经歌s. The girl who told me this and wanted me to
remember this phrase as an expression is Buddhist like her mum and she follows the traditions. And
when she said "we" it meant she and all her friends.










skylee -

Then perhaps you could try to say it to people outside the girl's circle and see if they
understand it and accept it. I am outside your friend's circle and I find it odd and unacceptable.
And I have been speaking Cantonese and living in Cantonese-speaking HK for over 3 decades and I
have not heard of such an expression. That's all.










Quest -

Where is(are) your Cantonese friend(s) from? It might be a small circle vocab.












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