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xiaojiang216 -

大家好，

I am trying to save time and use Microsoft Word to transcribe a conversation in Chinese characters
into pinyin. I could work around it and transcribe it myself, but it seems like a really useful
tool that I could use in the future.

I found this tool in:
Format > Asian Layout > Phonetic Guide

When I use the phonetic guide, I get all of this crazy formatting stuff that I can't seem to sort
through. Do I have some sort of strange setting on? I noticed that I get a similar result when I
type in website names and hit space to make it become a link.

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks so much!




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xiaojiang216 -

Problem solved! Apparently I had "Field Codes" toggled. Sorry for the waste of a post! But maybe
if someone else comes across this problem, they will find this post!












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Pnyin - meaning of 家军? -

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chavalit -

I can't find the meaning of 家军 in the dictionary I've got. But from the context it seems to be
similar to 将军 (general). What does 家军 mean exactly?



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saiyo -

“家军” might be translated as "someone's family army". It is often used in the context of a
sports team and following the coach's last name. The expression has some tint of a coaching style
of being disciplined and authoritarian.

For example, “马家军” was named after 马俊仁（Ma3 Jun4ren2), who headed China's female
long-distance running team in 2002 and fetched multiple golds home.

Hope that helps,
Saiyo










diane_wu -

It have't truly meaning by itself, just a extend meaning of team, you also can understand it as a
synthetical word










studentyoung -



Quote:

What does 家军 mean exactly?

Do you mean “X(surname)家军”?
X家 means “the Xs”.
X家军 originally means “General X’s army”.
In sports circles, X家军 means “X (the well-known coach’s surname)’s team”.

Thanks!










chavalit -

Yes, I saw it as "X(surname)家军“.

Thanks a lot!










Jingyu -

there is no single word "家军" in chinese.

if you find it in an article, it must be a name of some male,cause people who burned in 50's or
60's usually named this way...example: 李家军，王家军，杨家军




Quote:

Do you mean “X(surname)家军”?
X家 means “the Xs”.
X家军 originally means “General X’s army”.
In sports circles, X家军 means “X (the well-known coach’s surname)’s team”

this way is right too.Do you ever heard of "杨家将" in dynasty 宋，it's a famous family
army,and a legend story worth to read.












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Study Chinese - Hanzi to Pinyin in Excel? -

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prolyfik -

Hi,

I'm hoping someone may know how to do this...

I've got a long list of Chinese characters in Excel. Is there some kind of automated method for
taking characters in Hanzi form in one column and getting the next column over to show the
corresponding Pinyin?

Thanks in advance for any tips!



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imron -

Probably your best bet is to copy the entire column, go to the adsotrans advanced page, set the
style to be pinyin, paste all the chinese characters, adsotate, and then copy and paste all the
pinyin back into the excel spreadsheet.










gato -

You can also do this using copy&paste and HanConv
http://www. /showth...hlight=hanconv

But HanConv's download site seems to be download right now.

The steps to do so are:
1. Copy & paste your column of characters from Excel into the leftside box in HanConv.
2. Use HanConv to convert these characters to pinyins. The pinyin output is shown in the rightside
box.
3. Copy & paste the column on pinyins in the right side into an empty column in Excel.










simonlaing -

There is also a similar tool in chinese-tools.com.

http://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/pinyin.html

It also involves copy and pasting , but at least keeps the pinyin together if you put separate.
though for 好 it often gives the fourth tone as well as the 3rd tone.

hmarty.free.fr/hanzi (yes no www) has some annotators good for big paragraphs.

Have fun.
Simon










prolyfik -

I just wanted to say thanks to all who replied.

I finally got around to trying out the suggestions that were put forward. It looks like the method
suggested by gato works the best because it does bulk translations at a time and will allow me to
easily cut & paste whole columns at once.

Thanks again to everyone!










gato -

Glad it worked for you.












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roddy -

Back when I first started the forums, I used to run a semi-regular email newsletter. It was
nothing spectacular, just a quick rundown on the most popular / interesting topics that had
appeared since the last email. I stopped running it after a while.

Lately I've been thinking about starting it back up again, and have just purchased some software
to manage it with (downloading as we speak). Basically what I'm planning is:

No more than weekly mailings. Probably fortnightly.
Text only, no HTML
Content will be as it was, a run-down on recent notable topics.
Potentially if there's interest there might be messages from sponsors / other websites.
Edit: Will certainly have the option to opt-in / opt-out

Keen to hear any thoughts on this. I want to reach people who are registered users, but don't have
the time / inclination to follow the site regularly - so appreciate an edited highlights every now
and then. Things I'm curious about are preferred frequency, any preference for text vs html format
(from my point of view text is much easier, and I don't see any need for html), and ideas for
extra content, and indeed anything else.

Roddy



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venture160 -

I think this is a good idea, maybe a weekly highlight of the top ten forum posts or whatever you
deem to be most interesting. It could get alot of the members we have to come out of the woodwork
and looking around.

I submit my vote!










anonymoose -

My opinion is that it's not a good idea. My mailbox gets filled with enough of this kind of thing
as it is. I never read it, but it's annoying having to dispose of it all the time.

If I'm interested in the forum, then I'll come and visit and read it. If I'm not interested, then
the last thing I want is to be bothered by emails about it anyway.

Sorry. My opinion.










ironfrost -

From a personal point of view, it's annoying to get automated emails I didn't specifically sign up
for, even if it's from a forum I'm a member of. It would probably be best to make it an opt-in
choice and let users tick some box on the options screen, rather than adding all members to a
mailing list en masse.










trevelyan -

Roddy --> I trust your judgment as long the email is (1) hand-written and (2) opt-out. Please
don't set up something that simply spams people with lists of the most commonly replied to
messages however. There are some topics that come up here (such as the antiwave group) that
someone who can't visit every day might not catch, and that would be worth hearing about as long
as it is a human making the call and writing the copy.

I'm happy to get advertising if it supports the site and imagine the sponsors would be the same as
with the site normally.










billiardsmike -

I think the opt-out is the key. As you said, your target is people that don't check in often.
Regular users may not appreciate it. Unfortunately, almost all of the feedback on this post is
going to be from your non-target group, since they're obviously active readers.










roddy -

Thanks for the responses. Should have made clear, users will definitely be able to opt out - in
fact you're all going to need to opt-in in the first place. The forums software itself doesn't
really allow a proper mailing list with confirmation of subscription emails, automated opt-out,
etc, hence I've bought a desktop app to handle it. What I'll probably do initially is send the
first one out to all members who haven't visited in the last x number of weeks / months (I'm
assuming that recent visitors haven't forgotten the forums yet, plus will see announcements like
this), that first one will include opt-in instructions, and after that it's only those who opt-in
will get it. I do need to be cautious as the chances of being tagged as spam email are much higher
than they used to be.

It will also be done manually, and I'll be exercising judgment. If the most popular topic one
month happens to be 'Pictures of My Kittens' from the Chat forum, that won't make it in, but a
long and detailed review of a good new textbook, even if nobody noticed it on the forum, would
definitely get a mention. I'll probably have a 'suggest a topic for the newsletter' topic running.

For anyone who's not aware, there are already automated email alerts available on a forum by forum
basis - eg See here and look under Forum Tools > Subscribe

As Mike says, anyone who's already seen this is probably not the target user. However, ideas are
welcome.










kudra -

My problem is that when I come back after not checking in for a while there is a huge backlog of
new posts that I have to sift through to find what I'm interested in. This is even with
subscribing to threads I post to, since this will not pick up related stuff.

I tried to auto-alert myself to topics I would be interested in by using pubsub but it never
worked for me on chinese-forums for some reason. pubsub is closed so it's moot.

Pubsub was going to use search engine-like technology; you put in a bunch of key words. What would
be more focused would be a tool that could learn what kinds of topics you were interested in, and
alert you when something interesting was posted. It could use an open source text classifier like
rainbow which you could either train on posts you find interesting, or perhaps just train it
automatically on threads one has contributed posts to. Seems with all the machine language
expertise among the membership this might be possible to build a tool from open source parts.
Probably google is already working on it.

Unfortunately I don't have time to do this, or I would have done it already.










Ninja -

How about also posting the newsletter to the forum and creating a dedicated RSS feed for it? That
way we would have an easily accessible archive and (those of us with RSS readers) would be able to
read the newsletter without getting anything in our inboxes.










roddy -

@kudra: I'm looking at ways to alert people to posts they specifically might be interested in, but
neither of the two ways I can see of doing it are perfect - one relies on a third-party provider,
which I don't like, the other one doesn't do everything I want it to do. I may yet look at coding
something myself, but am reluctant as I'm a rubbish coder, and it would almost guarantee that
VBulletin would launch a major upgrade next week making my work obsolete.

@ninja: I would certainly keep an archive on site, so I guess an RSS feed for it is possible.

Got subscription and unsubscription working via both email and web interface now, hoping to tidy
it up and integrate it into the forums a little more tomorrow. Once it's all up and running I'll
be open to suggestions about other more specialized email lists that might be a good idea.












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HashiriKata -

Besides 存在, the OP could also consider 生存.
有 itself is also a good choice for the humorous effect.

Regarding the word "privacy" in English, I guess it'd be more accurate to say that Chinese doesn't
have an exact equivalent word for it.



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trien27 -

是与时: I'm sorry. But this makes absolutely no sense to someone who's Chinese like me?!.

Heidegger's "Being and Time" is just a change to the verbatim definition, and as I said above,
meaningless to Chinese people.

是 = to be(as in all those verbs used for all the pronouns: is, am, & are); extended to mean
"yes" as in "Yes or no?"

与 = and

xiao 时 = hour(s)
时 jian = time (pertaining to a clock or watch)
时 hou = time as in "this time"
时 chen = a Chinese "double-hour"

Thanks for the info though, djwebb2004.












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bossidy -

From a dictionary, I see about 16 words for "regret". What would be the best translation for a
mild, but sincere form of regret? Something on the order of, "Oh shoot, I wish I had taken the
trash out."

Thanks



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HashiriKata -

Try "糟糕!我忘了。。。" for that type of sentences.










Koneko -



Quote:

What would be the best translation for a mild, but sincere form of regret? Something on the order
of, "Oh shoot, I wish I had taken the trash out."

后悔 would do this level.

K.










HashiriKata -

Still trying to work out what the Chinese for "take the trash out" would be.

"糟糕!我忘了送走垃圾了."
Is this anywhere near "Oh shoot, I wish I had taken the trash out." ?










skylee -



Quote:

Still trying to work out what the Chinese for "take the trash out" would be.

Try 倒垃圾. Also, consider“如果我記得倒垃圾就好了。"










wai ming -

Would 掉垃圾 work for "take the rubbish (trash )" out?










Koneko -

Was the originator asking for translation or feeling after the event?

My earlier example is for the latter.

K.










Koneko -



Quote:


Originally Posted by wai ming

Would 掉垃圾 work for "take the rubbish (trash )" out?


No. See Skylee's example.

K.










wai ming -



Quote:

掉垃圾

Whoops, seems like some sort of Cantonese finally infiltrated my brain.










Koneko -

See here for more information.

K.












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HSK Exam - Help finding flash card software!! -

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abd08 -

Hi all,

I am trying hard to find some software to do the following, but not having much luck. Have looked
through the archives, but maybe am missing something:

1. Create my own flashcards on PC (Excel/Notepad) and import them to PPC
eg:
ce(4)suo(3) - Toilet
zui(4)jin(4) - recently

2. Be able to group them into lessons, and test myself on either multiple lessons or a single
lesson at a time

3. Even if I get something right, the card to be repeated later, albeit with a lower frequency

4. Be able to remove a card from the testing rota completely if I want to with a checkbox or sthg

5. Have it test me on just the words I input, and not the individual characters/other compounds

- Bonus points for if I can click on an on-screen character to see the trad/simp version w/meaning

Thanks in advance
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mandarinboy -

There are serveral:
http://zdt.sourceforge.net/

http://www.mandarintools.com/

http://www.euroasiasoftware.com/ht/index.html etc.










Jonny Wang -

I really like Super Memo. It's probably the most flexible option out there, since it's not
specifically for Chinese. You structure the databases however you want.

The whole basis of the SuperMemo method is that has an algorithm that controls how frequently
cards are shown based on how you've graded yourself in previous tests. Very efficient! You don't
have to decide yourself what you should study. SuperMemo figures it out for you!

Process:
1. Create database in Word
2. Save as a text file, with Chinese encoding
3. Drag this file over SuperMemo's supplied "encoder"
4. Add to your Palm Pilot install app
5. Sync your Palm

The big negative I know of so far about SuperMemo is that as of now, I don't think you can really
export databases from your Palm to your desktop in any sort of usable (i.e, .txt, .doc) format.










Ole -

You might also like to check out the new online vocabulary-builder and quiz-maker service Quizlet.
There is an import- and export-function too.
This site is run by the 17 year old Andrew Sutherland. Read the About.










OneEye -

I put a program called Flash on my Palm today and it seems similar to what you're looking for. It
comes with PCR books I-III installed, but you can make your own flashcards in the PC version and
import them to your Palm. I haven't used it a whole lot since I just got it today, but so far I
like it a lot.

http://www.andante.org/chinese_pilot.html

I reviewed it a bit in my new blog, linked in my sig (or should be).










gato -

See this thread here
http://www. /showpo...74&postcount=4
also miniPauker, a free Java-based flashcard program for mobile phones and PDAs (it's compatible
with Pauker, which runs on the desktop):

http://www.markus.brosch.net/?p=106












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SP Festival is coming.This is my best wishes:

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elina -

I like this one:
“祝春节快乐，详情请参阅其他同类短信。”
It’s really cool.

I got these:
对你的思念是一天又一天，孤单的我还是没有改变，美丽的梦何时才能出现�
��亲爱的好想再见你一面！可我就是找不到你住在哪个猪圈！

好久没你的消息了，这两天总是想你，心里很乱，寻遍你爱去的池溏、就餐�
��小屋、睡觉的草坪，仍不见你的踪影，我的心都快碎了：养这么大的猪咋��
�丢了呢？

Best wishes to everyone for a happy Chinese New Year!










elina -

Got some 短信, and I like this one:
本人决定率全地球人祝福你及家人新年快乐！你这几天和以后几天收到的祝�
��短信都是我安排他们发的...我为人就两字：低调。知道就行了，不要声张��
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Happy Chinese New Year!










xiaocai -

转发中⋯⋯










YangDizi -

鼠全啦，鼠钱啦，鼠着鼠着过年啦，钱是越鼠越没数，全都鼠到明年啦。

祝你：新春愉快！身体健康！鼠钱快乐！










YangDizi -

聪明人不吃亏，智者不觉吃亏；
聪明人拿得起，智者放得下；
聪明人审视他人，智者内省自己；
聪明人三十才开始过年，智者二十九就过上了。












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gato -



Quote:

The farther I go in learning English, the bigger obstacle my poor proficiency of Chinese -- my
mother tongue -- presents me with. In improving my Chinese, modern novels or textbooks don't help
much.

Learning classical Chinese helps you learn English?



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Just to play the devil's advocate, how much time does it take to become good at Classical? In my
case, I would estimate that I've spent not too much time, maybe, a total of 20-30 hours studying
classical, if that. And yet I couldn't do too well with most classical texts, besides the most
basic, basic stuff.

To some degree, I think one's time is better spent studying today's Chinese. Of course, I hope to
one day have a good understanding of classical, so I'm not trying to deny its greatness or
inherent value. I also think that people should study what they love, and if one has a deep
affection for classical and ancient Chinese, then go for it. But it would seem to me that if a
Chinese program (at a university) were to have people study classical without being fairly fluent
in modern Chinese, well, that's just a bit insane.

(Of course, I realize that the two are not mutually exclusive. Studying modern and classical both
helps with the other).










正在看牡丹 -

I don't know how much it will help me to improve my English through learning Classical Chinese,
but as I said in my last post, my poor proficiency of my mother tongue has been a great obstacle
in my learning of English.
After all, learning languages is actually learning cultures. Although there're so many
cross-cultural differences, we are all human. If I don't know enough about my own culture, I think
in later stage, it will inevitably become an impedement.










heifeng -

I basically agree with this..



Quote:

As a huge proponent of learning classical, there is the added benefit of being able to better
understand modern grammar and all those sentence patterns and vocab people use in everyday speech.
plus you can read the wuxia xiaoshuo novels with greater ease.


Back in my time (or before my uni decided some students actually wanted to major in Chinese to
learn the language instead of doing research hehe) I had to go through a full year of classical
Chinese after our 2nd year of Chinese (and THEN the department changed the major since I think
most students really hated studying classical Chinese 哼, anyway who knows, at the time x number
of years ago I was also a lil' irritated my classical chinese was probably better than my spoken
chinese ). Then at BNU I also took another semester in their literature dept because I did enjoy
studying it to a certain extent and realized I had only covered the tip of the iceburg before. Did
it help me in learning modern Chinese? In terms of spoken communication, not really. However, in
other situations I guess I don't get freaked out too much if I see some classical Chinese. If you
really do seriously study classical Chinese I think you have to do it because you enjoy it and
perhaps for research because the amount of time you spend studying Classical Chinese isn't gonna
really reward itself with that many practical applications. The most I use my Chinese classic
'training' in is watching soap operas about the different dynasties and when I'm reading maybe I
don't get thrown off by classical stuff as much, plus there are some phrases from classsical
Chinese that are nice to throw into your own writing....In terms of studying with other foreign
students who never learned it before I think I have noticed I have a small advantage~~ at least
with my (minimal)classical background I could have gone without the lecture on what this
'classical' phrase or grammar point, or less commonly used vocabulary, means everytime some
'classical' Chinese popped up in modern text....

Overall, practical or not after studying some classical Chinese I at least feel I had a fairly
"well-rounded" education in Chinese, which is nice when you generally( ) enjoy studying the
language...










gato -



Quote:

I don't know how much it will help me to improve my English through learning Classical Chinese,
but as I said in my last post, my poor proficiency of my mother tongue has been a great obstacle
in my learning of English.

Can you give some examples? How much schooling did you have in China and how much in the West?










正在看牡丹 -

Ah, sorry for the ambiguity of my explanation.
I'm an English major and has been learning English since my junior school, that is, nearly ten
years ago. As for my Chinese, I'm no worse than most Chinese natives, and better than many of
them, although I'm surely far below the scholars.
The biggest problem my poor Chinese presents me with is when I'm doing translation or
interpretation work. I can fully understand both languages, yet I find it very hard to well
express the meaning, especially in Chinese. I can stammer out the meaning and contonations to soem
extent, but the target language is... AWFUL.
It doesn't have much to do with eloquence really. I can write down my own ideas and thinkings in
fairly good Chinese or English, but when it comes to translation? My mother tongue is what lets me
down.










studentyoung -



Quote:

I can fully understand both languages, yet I find it very hard to well express the meaning,
especially in Chinese. I can stammer out the meaning and contonations to soem extent, but the
target language is... AWFUL.
It doesn't have much to do with eloquence really. I can write down my own ideas and thinkings in
fairly good Chinese or English, but when it comes to translation? My mother tongue is what lets me
down.

Don’t worry, don’t worry, 正在看牡丹. The case you express is something so common among
green-handed translators and interpreters. The key here is that you haven’t got used to use your
mother tongue to express the meaning in foreign language contexts at once, and vice versa. As you
major in English, you might understand that translation is not a simple word-to-word job. You have
to first grasp the meaning of the context, and then choose the right words to express. For some
people, they can do it at once because of their familiarity to the contexts & terms and their
skills on languages and cultures.

Take it easy and take it slow, 正在看牡丹. I am sure you are on you way to be a good
translator and interpreter.

Thanks!










gato -

I see what you mean, 正在看牡丹. Because your English is so good, I had thought that you
lived in the West. I see many new Chinese translators have problems translating English into
Chinese as well. The logical structure of English sentences tend to much more complicated than
English. A lot of novice translators end up with Chinese translations that are very hard to read
and don't sound like Chinese at all.

I would recommend that you regularly read the Financial Times's Chinese site. Many of the articles
online have both the English original and a Chinese translation. I think the translators they use
are very good. You might want to try translating some of the articles yourself first and then
compare your translation with theirs.
See http://www.ftchinese.com/










正在看牡丹 -

Thank you for your encouragement and help, Studentyoung and Gato! I'll try my best not to be so
lazy as I am that's my biggest problem in my learning: not persistent enough.
Gato, thank you for your recommendation! I like FT too, although I haven't got much chance to read
it and I didn't know it has both English and Chinese versions. I'll take your suggestions about
translation learning and practice when I have my own computer here in Shanghai. That's great idea!
Thank you!
Thank you both!
正在看牡丹












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Can someone post Children's Songs here. I want to teach our baby some Chinese Children's songs. If
you have songs that have a western melody I would love that. Thanks.



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elina -

Can you read Chinese?
http://www.7ting.com/album/album_11.htm










honeybums -

yes, i can read chinese. hope the melody is a familiar western song.
right now, the only song i know is twinkle twinkle little star. and i have the lyrics in mandarin
chinese.

any more suggestions?










Gaolisi -

I don't know where you are posting from but the Teachme Chinese cd on amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Me-Chine.../dp/0934633827 gives both nursery rhymes and pinyin /
character text. It is annoyingly off beat and pitch in places but my children enjoyed it.










sarahkuang -

I found this:
http://www.61flash.com/flash/1855.htm
Some are traditional, some are recently. Enjoy!










PangPang -

"Two Tigers" can be sung to the melody of "Frère Jacques":

http://www.qbaobei.com/htm/erge/FZEG/161752112.htm

That site has more Flash-y animations here:

http://www.qbaobei.com/htm/erge/index.htm










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thanks so much for all your help.












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Luobot -

The most critical item to me that hasn't been mentioned is your favorite brand of dental floss.
For some reason, I can never find my brand. It doesn't appear to be a very popular item in China.

Along those lines, you need all your own personal items that you really care about, like your
favorite deodorant. Just don't assume you'll find all your brands or real equivalents of them.

I think even the Tylenol and bottled water are fake.



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adrianlondon -

I find it better to bring nothing special (unless you really depend on it, such as a regular
medicine) and simply substitute for something local. That's why you're coming, right? For the
experience? Baking your own bread indeed. Just eat something else for a while, then go crazy on
that bread one you return home.










mr.stinky -

only two months? what can you not survive without, other than prescription meds - and
even those you can usually find locally (although may be knock-offs).

dental floss and whole wheat bread are available at c4/metro, and a few other stores
in kunming, must be available in bj.

name brand chocolate is readily available, and is not that expensive.

only thing i might add to bring would be a spare set of glasses or contacts.










johnd -



Quote:

only thing i might add to bring would be a spare set of glasses or contacts

I'd say get a few pairs of glasses made in China, for about $30 a pop.










Lindsay -

Hi everyone,

thanks for all your great advice. i surely won't waste my time cooking especially when there are
those lamb kabobs everywhere. i've spent many golden summers in beijing when i was young and they
were my favorite, along with peking duck of course.

i have a question about prescription medicine.. i currently have to take prescription antibiotics
that i can refill once a month, but how do i refill it once i'm in china? is there some
prescription transfer service where i can transfer to refill my script at any pharmacy? do they
have a CVS or Duane Reade?

also, one more question regarding US electronic plugs. i've estimated that i will need to plug in
at least 4-5 electronic devices(laptop, ipod, cell phone charger, etc), can i bring/buy one of
those large extension cords that have 6-8 plugs in them and connect that to my universal plug
changer thingie so i'll be able to plug in everything at once if needed? I have no idea about
voltages and circuits so i guess my question is, will plugging in so many american electronic
equipments be possible? if all of the electricity is being used through only one of the wall
plugs? i hope someone can understand what i'm asking? this is confusing..










pandaxiongmao -

If your things are multi-voltage, you can just plug them into the outlets here. Mainland China has
the same two-prong plugs the USA does. The three-prong plugs are different. If you have equipment
with three prongs, you can buy a power strip/surge protector at Wal-Mart that will allow you to
use those as well. You can also use a power strip if you need to connect several devices to one
outlet.

China's electricity is 220V (though often more), while the USA is 110-120V. If you have items that
will not work at 220V, you will need to by a voltage converter (expensive). Additionally, even if
you have a voltage converter, people I've known with them still ended up burning up their
electronics. It would be best simply to buy/borrow the equivalent item here if it is not too
expensive.

No CVS here. Additionally, you might want to find out the Chinese name of whatever medicine you
have. I'd advise you to go to a international hospital to fill a prescription if you don't know
the Chinese name.










Lindsay -

From what I can remember, the two-prongs in china are round whereas they're flat in the US. So
isn't there a simple geometrical compatibility issue? The adapter on my laptop says 120-240V but I
would still need some kind of device to solve the prong problem right?










gougou -



Quote:

From what I can remember, the two-prongs in china are round whereas they're flat in the US.

China uses both systems, round ones as well as flat ones.










johnd -

You don't need to worry about your prongs. It's easy to buy a power strip that accepts all shapes
of plug at any supermarket in China. Your Grandma probably already has one. If you are staying in
a hotel or at a coffee shop they'll most likely have one of these power strips to lend you.










Crivens200 -

As for anti-biotics - probably won't need a prescription other than to let the pharmacist know the
name - almost everything can be bought over the counter












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Radial -

Now that I have created all these wonderful word lists... I would like to print them out... but
there seem to be no way to do that. I used to be able to copy a whole list of characters with
their definitions and place them into excel... but that does not work. I love the program... but
it is a real shame if I cannot access these lists for other uses... any suggestions.



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Radial -

You have already addressed the excel/copying question in the recent update ... thank you... but
you should think about adding some print functions...










bogleg -

Hi Radial

Do you have specific ideas of how you'd like your lists to be printed? If you have some examples I
can investigate the best way to implement it.

Chris










Radial -

I have just been printing lists of characters... sound... definition... this way I can look at the
full list for a particular lesson. By being able to grab from ZDT and place into EXCEL... I
creates lists for a particular book/class... helps with the reveiw process.

Maybe there could be a way of organizing the words lists by book... and lessons... and so we could
review a lesson...or a whole book... and accumulate the characters learned.

I should say that what I really like about zdt is that I can put in phrases... and then review
these phrases on a regular basis.

Thanks again for all your support and continuing development.










Soupbean -

hey everyone,

i realise that i'm joining this post late, but i think it would be great if we could print out the
flashcard summary (ie the words that are missed).

Having reviewed the words and knowing some of them, i think it would be good just to be able to
print out the words that i can't remember.


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Cantonese vs Mandarin vs English in Hong Kong?

In this article they describe the dilemma of the language of education, initially English vs
Cantonese and then Mandarin (the article has muliple pages, click on "next page" to read the
article in full):

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Quote:

On a related note, what do people in HK mean when they say 'Chinese'?

Cantonese. Period. If they want mandarin skills then they write Mandarin, or Putonghua.

So what "Chinese" means differs strongly and can mean anything.

Funny side note: I remember when I saw an ad for an flight attendant in a HK newspaper which
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Ian_Lee -

The oldest western restaurant in China should be "Tai Ping Koon" restaurant that was established
in Guangzhou in 1860s.

It is famous in inventing the "Shoyu Western Food" -- literally meaning that western food is
cooked with Chinese ingredients.

When Zhou Enlai married in Guangzhou in early 1920s, his wedding party was held in Tai Ping Koon.

When the Northern Expeditionary Army launched their military venture to the north, Tai Ping Koon
was catering all their meal boxes.

Its branches are still active in HK after the main restaurant in Guangzhou was dissolved in the
early '50s.

And its menu stays the same throughout its history. Basically what you order today is what Zhou
had eaten in Guangzhou 80 years ago.



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skylee -

Thanks for the post. Didn't know that it has such a long history.

Did you use shoyu as it is in Japanese or was it a typo?










Jive Turkey -

Where are the HK branches? What's the name in Chinese characters? I might go check it out.










skylee -

It is 太平館餐廳. For addresses, check out its website.










Quest -

Dissolved in early 50s? My aunt was a manager there until she came to america in the early 90s.
北京路太平馆 right?

I found some history: http://www.southcn.com/travel/lyxw/200502230108.htm
看来日本人和CmvnistPrty执政初期对广州和上海的伤害还真不小，有些资本的��
�都迁到了香港。我记得我爷爷的烧腊店和公公的照相馆都是被TMDComvnistPrty收
了。然后名义上是公私合营，但事实上由原来的老板变成为政府打工，每个�
��做又36唔做又36。
It changed ownership in the 50s from the original owners who moved to HK and openned branches
there during the Sino Jap war, to the communist party. It transferred ownership again later to
东江集团，who rented the place out to some clothing business in 2002. But since the Guangzhou
government named it a historical site in 2000, the government deemed the closing of 太平馆
illegal, and said only 太平馆 can operate at that site. I think the government helped reopen
the restaurant.
太平馆复业: http://news.sina.com.cn/o/2005-03-22/09575428515s.shtml










Ian_Lee -

Quest:

Since the original owner was forced to turn the Guangzhou restaurant over to the government in
early '50s and continued to operate only the HK branches since then, I consider the HK branches to
be authentic while the Guangzhou one to be unoriginal since the latter is operated by another
group.










Quest -

No question about that, but the restaurant in Guangzhou did continue to be popular and well known
all the way into the 21st century. The failure in the new millenium I think was largely due to the
change of Guangzhou itself. Guangzhou isn't the same city anymore. Native Guangzhouness only take
up about 50% of the population now, and continue to shrink and get dispersed from their
traditional homes and neighborhoods.










liuzhou -

So. Are you saying that the "oldest western restaurant" no longer exists (which kind of
disqualifies it.) , or/and are you saying that a new chain with the same name exists but has no
connection with the original restaurant.

In either case, there is no claim to being oldest.










skylee -

What if the "oldest" still exists but has been relocated (i.e. not in Guangzhou but in Hong Kong)
and is still run by the same family?










Quest -

The restaurant has been operating at the same location with the same name in Guangzhou. The
founder's family started a chain with the same name in Hong Kong and continue to operate today. I
don't know whether either would qualify for the claim.












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bhchao -

This song is quite good. 마주치지 말자

It is sung by Jang Hye Jin, the lady who sang the duet in post #7. The song is from her Four
Seasons CD.



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bhchao -

Sung Si Kyung's 잘 지내나요 (Jal Ji Nae Na Yo/How are you Doing?)

The song is about a man asking his ex-girlfriend how she's doing since they parted, hoping she
will meet a better person.

Other songs by Sung Si Kyung: http://seoulninja.multiply.com/music










seoulninja -

wow bhchao, thanks for linking up my site. ^_^

i certainly think "On the Street" is the best Sung Si-kyung song so far.










bhchao -



Quote:

i certainly think "On the Street" is the best Sung Si-kyung song so far

I agree. It is hard to imagine anyone else singing that song.


Here are two good songs from Kim Jong Kook. He is romantically linked to Yoon Eun Hye, the actress
that Goong fans are familiar with. He is currently serving his mandatory military service for ROK.

사랑스러워 (sarang surowo)

그녀의 남자에게 (keu nyeo eu namja ae gae) - To Her Man

Youtube format of To Her Man










tsp_uk -

I don't understand, how come on this page
http://gesomoon.gameshot.net/zboard/...ertain&no=1055 there's a translation of the whole post?










rose~ -

OMG we're being stalked! It's quite funny, they even translated "영어 알아들어?"

It seems they want to make it seem like we are all Chinese people studying English. And is it me
or is it mainly translated as panmal?

Someone says here:

김광석이 한국의 밥딜런? 개인적 생각으로 그렇게 이미지가 안
어울리는것 같음

김광석 노래중엔 말하지 못하는 내 사랑 이 노래 처음 들었을때 ........
통기타와 하모니카 보사노바 느낌으로 라이브 하던것이 최고 였었는데

about where I wrote something about Kim Kwang Seok might be like the Bob Dylan of Korea . Could
someone tell me what it means please?










bhchao -

rose, someone from another forum was generous enough to give me this translation:

"Kim Kwang Suk is korea's bob dillon? personally i dont think they're much alike.

the first time i heard the song by KKS called "mal ha ji moht ha neun nae sa rang"..........
i loved the way he sang live with a guitar and a harmonica.."

Hope that helps.












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Hero Doug -

I'm going to sign with a school on a sort part-time sort of full-time basis. I'm not concerned
about this as of right now, but I haven't closed the option of going to this school full time.

This thing is that they put this clause in their contract. I haven't taught at a private school in
a long time so I'm wondering if it's too much.



Quote:

After termination of this agreement, the Employee will not operate a business in direct
competition with the Employer within a year of the contract termination. Additionally, due to the
competitive market and in regards of unfair competition practices, the Employee agrees to not
accept employment with the Employer’s direct competitor(s) who shares the similar model to our
teaching style in the same city within a year of the termination date.

So their trying to tell me where I can and can't work. Like I said I haven't worked at a private
school since I first got to China, but *if* next year I was to go to this school, would I be
asking to much for them to remove the last paragraph, or are they asking too much by asking that I
accept it.



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badr -

That's the first time I've ever seen or read such a clause in a teaching contract. The school is
asking for waaaayyy too much in this case.
I guess it's their right to put what they want on the contract but it's also your right not to
accept it.










roddy -

Haven't seen that before, and I'd be doubtful about how enforceable it would be - if they'd just
left it at 'teaching English' they might have a chance, but how do you decide on what is a 'direct
competitor' or a 'similar teaching style'?

If you have no plans to stay there (Nanjing?) long term, I wouldn't worry about it. If you do . .
. well, I probably wouldn't worry about it anyway. Could maybe quiz them about who they regard as
'direct competitors' and so on, but I'd wager they haven't really thought about it.










tianma -

I'd love to sign such a contract. According to the law, they have to compensate you after you
leave the company for not being able to work for a competitor. The compensation is normally being
paid every month and is 1/3 of your former salary.










kudra -

obviously they have some super-duper top secret teaching method, that they don't want you to
steal. I can't believe it would be possible or worth their time to enforce it.

On the other hand, when I was in Taiwan in the early 80's we did get training on how to teach a
group using hand cues and various materials they had developed. I suppose if I had worked there
and picked up their tricks, then set up a big competing school with a with backing from a bunch of
rich ivestors, the original school would feel some effect on their cash flow and want to take
action. But barring that kind thing, I can't see that it would be worth their trouble to enforce
such a non-compete clause.

Of course I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not there, so what do I know? answer: not much.










imron -

I would get them to remove this clause if you want to work at this school. If they don't, then as
they mention in the contract, it's a competitive market, and so you won't have a shortage of other
places to choose from.










Jockster -

I would not sign a contract with such a clause in it. I've seen non-competition clauses like this
before. What I think is fundamentally wrong is that when someone is educated for a certain job
then that is his bread and butter and therefore it is unreasonable to demand this from him/her.

If they have some teaching methods that they have developed themselves, then fine, those should be
protected. But that should be done with a non-disclosure agreement, not with a non-competition
clause.










imron -



Quote:

I'd love to sign such a contract. According to the law, they have to compensate you after you
leave the company for not being able to work for a competitor. The compensation is normally being
paid every month and is 1/3 of your former salary.

Tianma, do you happen to know of an online reference which specifies which law mentions this? I
imagine it'd be quite useful to have a copy of it










tianma -

I can't find the law right now but this should help as well ... If anyone finds the right passage
in the legal text it would be great if you posted the source here, thanks.



Quote:

It is therefore a relatively recent development to see post-termination non-competition provisions
in domestic enterprise employment contracts. In some cases that we have seen, such provisions have
been simply copied from U.S. companies' employment contracts. This can be less than effective in
China, since such a provision is only enforceable if they provide for non-competition compensation
in addition to the statutory severance payments.

The new labor law seems to protect employees even further:
http://www.sandpconsulting.com/news_...php?news_id=38

Here is a sample contract:
http://contracts.onecle.com/asiainfo...05.12.08.shtml

A court decision (please note that it is not binding - no precedence):
http://www.ccpit-patent.com.cn/News/2005081502.htm










zhwj -

It's my guess that this is designed to address two fears:

(1) After working at this school for a bit, you go off and start your own competing school that
uses the same innovative methods. Not very likely, but I've seen something like this happen in the
past.

(2) More likely, after working at this school for a bit, you get hired away by one of the
co-founders who splits off from the school to found his own place, taking many of the teachers
with him. In this case, the presence of the clause on teachers' contracts acts as a disincentive
to the current partners to break off, since they won't be able to take teachers with them.

It's not common, but I guess it's an understandable reaction for a place that may have been burned
in the past by teachers who've jumped ship, perhaps after getting some exposure in an ad campaign
or something. I'd take the opposite view to roddy's, and say that the "direct competition" would
give you more options if you walked - if the schools are targeted at different student groups, or
if they offer different certificates or something, they're probably not in direct competition and
you'd be OK.

If you can't get them to take it out, maybe you could try having something written in that voids
the non-compete in the event that you leave because they have broken some other parts of the
contract - if they fail to pay you for six months, for example, or some other unacceptable
behavior.












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fireball9261 -

One of the Qing royalties, Pu Ru 溥儒, was a famous artist in Taiwan. He passed away in 1963 and
was buried at Yangming Mountain in Taiwan. He was the grandson of Prince Gong 恭亲王, 奕欣
(the prince who almost became the Emperor instead of Emperor Xianfeng) and the younger brother of
溥伟. He was also the elder cousin of the last Qing Emperor, Pu Yi. For Pu Ru, please see:
http://baike.baidu.com/view/31333.htm

溥伟 Pu Wei was very active politically after Qing dynasty was overthrown. I remember he was one
of the candidates for the throne after Guangxu Emperor. He was in his 20's and full grown. Many
Qing officials wanted an older Emperor instead of a child, but Cixi thought she would still live
for a while and decided on another generation of child emperor from her family (from her younger
sister's family). Therefore, she picked Pu Yi instead of Pu Wei. Pu Wei was almost chosen to be
the leader for the Japanese established Manchuguo instead of Pu Yi. I read these from Pu Yi's
autobiography and other late Qing dynasty documents, especially a lot of interviews and
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trevelyan -

The new server (running the textbook site, basically) has been having troubles with overheating,
and seems to be having boot issues now. It is being shipped across the city today back to the
colo-company and I'm hoping that they can fix the problem rapidly enough to get the machine back
online within a day.

Adsotrans.com is still up and running. But the textbook site is down for now. Sorry for the
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zwxue -

I'm running ZDT 0.5.2 with JRE 1.5.0-09. When I select the Categories tab, I get the following
error message: Unable to create view: Plug-in "net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard" was unable to
instantiate class "net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard.views.CategoryView". Please note that I had not
installed any previous version of ZDT prior to 0.5.2. Any suggestions, anyone?



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Is this the first time you've run the program? Are you running the Windows version? Try running
again and when you see the message, click on the 'Details >>' button. Then please use copy/paste
and PM the resulting error message that appears.

Usually this message occurs when you run two copies of the program at the same time and they try
to share the same database file.

Thanks!

Chris










zwxue -

Thanks for looking into this. Yes, I'm running this on Windows XP. Here's what I clipped from
"Details":
org.springframework.jdbc.BadSqlGrammarException: Bad SQL grammar [SELECT category_name FROM
category] in task 'executing StatementCallback'; nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: Table
not found in statement [SELECT category_name FROM category]
java.sql.SQLException: Table not found in statement [SELECT category_name FROM category]
at org.hsqldb.jdbc.Util.sqlException(Unknown Source)
at org.hsqldb.jdbc.jdbcStatement.fetchResult(Unknown Source)
at org.hsqldb.jdbc.jdbcStatement.executeQuery(Unknown Source)
at
org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate$1QueryStatementCallback.doInStatement(JdbcTemplate.java:2
50)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.execute(JdbcTemplate.java:203)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.query(JdbcTemplate.java:265)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.queryForList(JdbcTemplate.java:277)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.core.dao.UserEntryDao.getAllCategories(UserEntryDao.java:152)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard.views.CategoryViewModel.initialize(CategoryViewModel.java:31)
at
net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard.views.CategoryViewController.(CategoryViewController.java:54)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard.views.CategoryView.(CategoryView.java:122)
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.osgi.RegistryStrategyOSGI.createExecutableExtension(RegistryStrat
egyOSGI.java:157)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.ExtensionRegistry.createExecutableExtension(ExtensionRegistry.jav
a:759)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.ConfigurationElement.createExecutableExtension(ConfigurationEleme
nt.java:243)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.ConfigurationElementHandle.createExecutableExtension(Configuratio
nElementHandle.java:51)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.WorkbenchPlugin.createExtension(WorkbenchPlugin.java:234)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.registry.ViewDescriptor.createView(ViewDescriptor.java:69)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.ViewReference.createPartHelper(ViewReference.java:292)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.ViewReference.createPart(ViewReference.java:197)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.WorkbenchPartReference.getPart(WorkbenchPartReference.java:566)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartPane.setVisible(PartPane.java:290)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.ViewPane.setVisible(ViewPane.java:525)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.PresentablePart.setVisible(PresentablePart.java:140)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.PresentablePartFolder.select(PresentablePartFolder.java:2
6
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.LeftToRightTabOrder.select(LeftToRightTabOrder.java:65)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.TabbedStackPresentation.selectPart(TabbedStackPresentatio
n.java:394)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.refreshPresentationSelection(PartStack.java:1144)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.setSelection(PartStack.java:1097)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.presentationSelectionChanged(PartStack.java:795)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.access$1(PartStack.java:781)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack$1.selectPart(PartStack.java:123)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.TabbedStackPresentation$1.handleEvent(TabbedStackPresenta
tion.java:126)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.AbstractTabFolder.fireEvent(AbstractTabFolder.java:267)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.AbstractTabFolder.fireEvent(AbstractTabFolder.java:276)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.defaultpresentation.DefaultTabFolder.access$1(DefaultTabFolder
.java:1)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.defaultpresentation.DefaultTabFolder$2.handleEvent(DefaultTabF
older.java:84)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.EventTable.sendEvent(EventTable.java:66)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:92
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:952)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:937)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.notifyListeners(Widget.java:709)
at org.eclipse.swt.custom.CTabFolder.setSelection(CTabFolder.java:3171)
at org.eclipse.swt.custom.CTabFolder.onMouse(CTabFolder.java:1953)
at org.eclipse.swt.custom.CTabFolder$1.handleEvent(CTabFolder.java:28
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.EventTable.sendEvent(EventTable.java:66)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:92
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.runDeferredEvents(Display.java:334
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.readAndDispatch(Display.java:296
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.runEventLoop(Workbench.java:1914)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.runUI(Workbench.java:187
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.createAndRunWorkbench(Workbench.java:419)
at org.eclipse.ui.PlatformUI.createAndRunWorkbench(PlatformUI.java:149)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.core.ZDTApplication.run(ZDTApplication.java:29)
at org.eclipse.core.internal.runtime.PlatformActivator$1.run(PlatformActivator.java:7
at
org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.runApplication(EclipseAppLauncher.java:
92)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.start(EclipseAppLauncher.java:6
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:400)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:177)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.invokeFramework(Main.java:336)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.basicRun(Main.java:280)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.run(Main.java:977)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.main(Main.java:952)










zwxue -

Just uninstalled 0.5.2 & installed ZDT 0.6.0. Unfortunately, Category view is still broken. Here
are the "Details":

org.springframework.jdbc.BadSqlGrammarException: Bad SQL grammar [SELECT category_name FROM
category] in task 'executing StatementCallback'; nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: Table
not found in statement [SELECT category_name FROM category]
java.sql.SQLException: Table not found in statement [SELECT category_name FROM category]
at org.hsqldb.jdbc.Util.sqlException(Unknown Source)
at org.hsqldb.jdbc.jdbcStatement.fetchResult(Unknown Source)
at org.hsqldb.jdbc.jdbcStatement.executeQuery(Unknown Source)
at
org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate$1QueryStatementCallback.doInStatement(JdbcTemplate.java:2
50)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.execute(JdbcTemplate.java:203)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.query(JdbcTemplate.java:265)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.queryForList(JdbcTemplate.java:277)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.core.dao.UserEntryDao.getAllCategories(UserEntryDao.java:152)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard.views.CategoryViewModel.initialize(CategoryViewModel.java:31)
at
net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard.views.CategoryViewController.(CategoryViewController.java:54)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.flashcard.views.CategoryView.(CategoryView.java:122)
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.osgi.RegistryStrategyOSGI.createExecutableExtension(RegistryStrat
egyOSGI.java:157)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.ExtensionRegistry.createExecutableExtension(ExtensionRegistry.jav
a:759)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.ConfigurationElement.createExecutableExtension(ConfigurationEleme
nt.java:243)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.registry.ConfigurationElementHandle.createExecutableExtension(Configuratio
nElementHandle.java:51)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.WorkbenchPlugin.createExtension(WorkbenchPlugin.java:234)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.registry.ViewDescriptor.createView(ViewDescriptor.java:69)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.ViewReference.createPartHelper(ViewReference.java:292)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.ViewReference.createPart(ViewReference.java:197)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.WorkbenchPartReference.getPart(WorkbenchPartReference.java:566)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartPane.setVisible(PartPane.java:290)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.ViewPane.setVisible(ViewPane.java:525)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.PresentablePart.setVisible(PresentablePart.java:140)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.PresentablePartFolder.select(PresentablePartFolder.java:2
6
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.LeftToRightTabOrder.select(LeftToRightTabOrder.java:65)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.TabbedStackPresentation.selectPart(TabbedStackPresentatio
n.java:394)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.refreshPresentationSelection(PartStack.java:1144)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.setSelection(PartStack.java:1097)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.presentationSelectionChanged(PartStack.java:795)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack.access$1(PartStack.java:781)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.PartStack$1.selectPart(PartStack.java:123)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.TabbedStackPresentation$1.handleEvent(TabbedStackPresenta
tion.java:126)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.AbstractTabFolder.fireEvent(AbstractTabFolder.java:267)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.util.AbstractTabFolder.fireEvent(AbstractTabFolder.java:276)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.defaultpresentation.DefaultTabFolder.access$1(DefaultTabFolder
.java:1)
at
org.eclipse.ui.internal.presentations.defaultpresentation.DefaultTabFolder$2.handleEvent(DefaultTabF
older.java:84)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.EventTable.sendEvent(EventTable.java:66)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:92
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:952)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:937)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.notifyListeners(Widget.java:709)
at org.eclipse.swt.custom.CTabFolder.setSelection(CTabFolder.java:3171)
at org.eclipse.swt.custom.CTabFolder.onMouse(CTabFolder.java:1953)
at org.eclipse.swt.custom.CTabFolder$1.handleEvent(CTabFolder.java:28
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.EventTable.sendEvent(EventTable.java:66)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.sendEvent(Widget.java:92
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.runDeferredEvents(Display.java:334
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.readAndDispatch(Display.java:296
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.runEventLoop(Workbench.java:1914)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.runUI(Workbench.java:187
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.createAndRunWorkbench(Workbench.java:419)
at org.eclipse.ui.PlatformUI.createAndRunWorkbench(PlatformUI.java:149)
at net.sourceforge.zdt.core.ZDTApplication.run(ZDTApplication.java:29)
at org.eclipse.core.internal.runtime.PlatformActivator$1.run(PlatformActivator.java:7
at
org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.runApplication(EclipseAppLauncher.java:
92)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.start(EclipseAppLauncher.java:6
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:400)
at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:177)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.invokeFramework(Main.java:336)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.basicRun(Main.java:280)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.run(Main.java:977)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.main(Main.java:952)










bogleg -

Actually the error message means that it can't find your user database file. In the program, go to
Window > Preferences... > Database, and you should see the directory it's trying to look for your
database file. Go to that directory (via windows explorer) and see if you have the files
user.script and user.properties in there. I suspect maybe you don't have permissions so the
installer could not copy the files to that location? If that's the case, let me know and i'll send
you the files you need.

Chris










zwxue -

Chris,
Both files you mentioned, user.script and user.properties are in C:\Documents and Settings\zdt,
just as it is indicated in Window>Preferences>Database. The files are obviously there, but
Categories view still does not work. Also, I am on a stand alone machine. There is no
administrator, and the folder system pretty much have all the Windows XP default settings. Thanks
again for checking this out. Let me know if you have any more ideas what it may be.
Taren










zwxue -

Thanks, Bogleg, for figuring out why Categories View was not working. I am posting this brief
description just in case someone else has a similar problem:

I installed ZDT 0.6.0 and JRE 1.5.0_09 on a Windows XP / SP2 Tablet PC version OS. For some reason
the required file user.script was installed on my system, but it was empty. To see if you have the
correct user.script file, check the following:

In ZDT, goto Window>Preferences. Highlight Database. You should see the sub-directory or folder
where your user.script file is kept. Using Windows, go to that folder. (eg. mine is at:
C:\Documents and Settings\zdt) Highlight the file user.script. Right click and select Properties.
If the Size is 1 KB, you have an empty user.script file, and this is possibly why Categories View
is not working on your system. Drop Bobleg a line. I am sure he'll gladly send you the correct
one. (The correct file size for user.script should be around 108 KB)










flameproof -

same problem here. I just "upgraded" to 0.60. I get the message:

Unable to create view: Plug-in "com.digitbit.chinese.rcp.flashcard" was unable to instantiate
class "com.digitbit.chinese.rcp.flashcard.views.CategoryView".

My user.script is 154Kb

Help is appreciated!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(10 Minutes later, playing with ZDT in utter frustration.............)

Whoops, now THAT was fast!

After I did: windows>open perspective>others... ..and chosing "ZDT" it was OK and seem to work
fine now.

I will not delete my question since it may help others, hopefully. BTW, Great program!










flameproof -

Today I installed ZDT on another Xp PC. Same problem, same solution:

start ZDT>windows>open perspective>others... ..and chosing "ZDT" it was OK

Difference: this time it was fixed in 3 seconds.










drahnier -

Just a remark on this issue: Windows users usually don't have r/w permission on directory
"Documents and Settings\", this may be part of the problem. zdt should have placed the reqired
files in folder "Documents and Settings\", where is your XP account name. It
would be even more elegant if zdt would place its files in a folder named "Documents and
Settings\,username>zdt\" which is the desired convention used by almost any modern Windows
application.

Btw: I'm using zdt under Windows Vista RC2 5744 without any problems - and I am very happy that I
have found this program ...

_____________
drahnier












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