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could someone tell me what's written here: http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1858/dscn0327hq3.jpg



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skylee -

Those are names of different dishes.

I've seen a similar work of art and posted a photo at signese.com ->
http://www.signese.com/2007/05/24/%e8%ad%af%e5%90%8d/

Another copy here ->











green.panda -

thanks a lot. and could you tell me what names exactly are there? just a few of them.










fireball9261 -

Yangzhou fried rice, raw fish, lobster salad, crab, steamed salmon, etc.

It looks like an old Cantonese restaurant menu.












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mingming -

The poem is from Guang Daosheng

You and I ~GUAN Daosheng (Sung Dynasty)

"You and I are so crazy
about each other,
as hot as a potter's fire.
Out of the same chunk
of clay, shape a you,
shape a me. Crush us
both into clay again, mix
it with water, reshape
a you, reshape a me.
So, I have you in my body,
and you'll have me forever in yours, too."


Can someone find it?



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管道升(1262~1319),字仲姬,德清县茅山村(今属干山乡)人，元代著名的女性书法�
��、画家、诗词创作家。

《我侬词》--管道升

你侬我侬，忒煞多情
情多处，热似火
把一块泥，捻一个你，塑一个我
将咱们两个一齐打破
用水调和
再捏一个你，再塑一个我
我泥中有你，你泥中有我
与你生同一个衾,死同一个椁.










student -

Skylee posted this before:

http://www. /showthread.php?t=1419:


Quote:

Here is another lovely poem from Yuan Dynasty -

Quote:
我儂詞 (管道昇)
你儂我儂，忒煞情多，情多處，熱如火。
把一塊泥，捻一個你，塑一個我。
將咱兩個，一齊打破，用水調和。
再捻一個你，再塑一個我。
我泥中有你，你泥中有我。
與你生同一個衾，死同一個槨。
And a nice English translation from this webpage -

Quote:
You and I
Have so much love,
That it
Burns like a fire,
In which we bake a lump of clay
Molded into a figure of you
And a figure of me
Then we take both of them,
And break them into pieces,
And mix the pieces with water,
And mold again a figure of you,
And a figure of me.
I am in your clay.
You are in my clay.
In life we share a single quilt.
In death we will share one coffin.

The translation, I believe, is by Qiu Xiaolong












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Josh2007 -

But Chinese people do often pronounce 熟悉 as shóuxi, and it is in the Wenlin dictionary as
shóuxi as well as shúxī. 角色 is in the Wenlin dictionary as jiǎosè as well as juésè. In
fact the entry under juésè just says "role, part"; but the entry under jiǎosè says "1. role
(in a play etc); 2. function, position; 3. star, celebrity". 模样 is in Wenlin under both
móyàng and múyàng. I have said elsewhere that maybe Wenlin aka the ABCD dictionary adopts a
"descriptive" rather than a "prescriptive" approach? How are you defining the standard? You mean
by using the Contemporary Chinese Dictionary as the final arbiter?



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muyongshi -

I don't know specifically their thought process in either of those dictionaries but you have to
consider those are dictionaries produced for language learners, specifically english speakers. If
you find one of those big honking Chinese-Chinese dictionary that is used for standard mandarin
those things will not be included...










muyongshi -

I remembered another one again today 给予
incorrect: gei yu
correc: ji yu

Very few people pronounce it ji yu even though that is correct....










ABCinChina -

Luoman, most of the examples you provided can be pronounced both ways except for 血 in which I've
never heard anybody pronounce it xue4.

誰 - I always use shei2 but I often hear it as shui2 in China.










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Quote:

誰 - I always use shei2 but I often hear it as shui2 in China.

That is the official thing though.

In all the other examples 灸, 血, 熟 are the mispronunciations. The 处 depends on the
situation (meaning what compound word it is with) 熟 can be pronounced shou if it is used alone.
But compound it can't 血3 and 灸1 are not in any official mandarin dictionary.










fireball9261 -

This thread really messed up my pronunciation now. There are the proper ways to pronounce things
in Mandarin. However, sometimes if you pronounce with the proper ways, people would look at you
funny and then correct your pronunciations to the really "proper" way of pronunciations.
Therefore, I don't bother with the really "incorrect" but popular ways of pronunciations just so I
don't get into pronunciation arguments with someone. Besides, as someone in this thread said,
language changes over time. I have seen a lot of "proper" Chinese words and phrases got
transformed into something else just over my life time. I think some of the Chinese dictionaries
need to get an update and re-print soon.










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Quote:

However, sometimes if you pronounce with the proper ways, people would look at you funny and then
correct your pronunciations to the really "proper" way of pronunciations.

I agree with you 100%. I just make sure I know both and in class I use "standard" and with
everyone else I use "real" mandarin. It would be nice if they atleast discussed the current trends
(especially with 血) and considered changing the tones or atleast adding the option...










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Quote:


Originally Posted by muyongshi

It would be nice if they atleast discussed the current trends (especially with 血) and considered
changing the tones or atleast adding the option...


It seems that 血 is always on your mind. I don't really have much chance to use the word ...










fireball9261 -

It also bugs me whenever people pronounce 血 no matter which way they go. I am a very bloody
minded Chinese woman -- I think it's probably due to my pirates ancestors (Wenzhou was a major
Chinese and Japanese pirate base for a few hundred years).












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drahnier -

What actually determins the amount of space between multiple choices in Definition Test Mode?



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bogleg -

Does every card have this same weird spacing? And is this just happening in the recent build? The
spacing is supposed to be consistent.

Chris










drahnier -

a lot of cards have this (approx. 30%), and it is not new to this build. but if i remember
correctly, i never saw this wit any 0.6.x build.












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heifeng -

盘根错节pán gēn cuò jié: w/ twisted roots and gnarled branches ~ complicated and difficult
to deal with.. (sounds like an useful chengyu to me)
三七 san1qi1: pseudo ginseng or Sanchi see here and here

怪圈 guai4quan1: vicious circle, but then there is 麦田怪圈 for crop circles...which is nice
and random

oh...and from watching too much random entertainment television...囧 jiong3 suppose to be the
newest most popular character online these days...the expression on the lil' guy's face says it
all for what it means..or just search it...



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Lu -

愛樂 ai4yue4 philharmonic. From the name of one or the other philharmonic orchestra. In a way it
makes so much sense: 愛樂 = love music = phil-harmonic. But at the same time it's rather
tautological in the name of an orchestra: if they didn't love music, they wouldn't be sitting
there playing it now would they.










randall_flagg -

布洛芬释胶囊 bu4luo4fen1shi4jiao1nang2 ibuprofen source: friend with a toothache.










zhwj -

胶囊 is a capsule, 布洛芬 is ibuprofen in any form (which may be useful if they don't have
capsules).










ajax -

I always ask for 芬必得/fen1bi4de2. I guess it's a brand name, but it's kind of like saying
tylenol rather than acetaminophen.

Another one: 环丙沙星/huan2bing3sha1xing1 (Cipro). Resisting the urge to take this right now
(ate some bad 烧烤).










imron -

Not a new word, but an interesting phrase:
人不行,怪路不平 - rén bù xíng，guài lù bù píng - An equivalent of "a poor workman
always blames his tools".










randall_flagg -

售罄 shou4qing4 to be completely sold out.
Source: An article about the tickets for Beijing Games.










Lu -

綱領 gang3ling3 essential guidelines, program, platform, for example of the CCP.
Seen this word before and always read it as wangling (網領) and couldn't find it anywhere. My
coworker just set me right. I feel Chinese tripped me and is now laughing in my face, really loud,
while I am on the ground squeeking: It's not fair!! 誰叫你 to make two characters look exactly
alike!










skylee -



Quote:

exactly alike!












heifeng -

from watching healthy olympics living something or rather today and an interesting segment about
胃病:

幽门 you1men2: Pylorus

and while we are on 幽, let's also go with something funner:

幽会you1hui4: a lover's rendezvous.....I learned this from a former coworker at a dinner when
she announced she was going to go on one so had to hurry up and leave...so now it's forever
branded in my memory and whenever I think of her, it reminds me of this word plus this classic

and since we are still on y's, why not

臃肿 yong1zhong3: so overweight one cannot move...or of an organization being overstaffed, or
even clothing being overly cumbersome. (this one was just from flipping through the dictionary for
another probably more useful word...which of course I don't even remember now)












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muyongshi -

What is F5 do???? Talking to a mac user here



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imron -

If you're using firefox, f5 does the same on a mac as it does on windows - it reloads the page. So
basically if you get a database error, don't sit there pressing refresh until everything works,
but go and have a coffee or something and when you get back everything should be back to normal.










muyongshi -

You learn something everyday.....

Speaking of coffee....










ipsi() -

http://www. /forums.php is giving me a Database Error when trying to load it.
Weirdly, this page, and the front page both work fine. In fact, everywhere works fine except the
main Forum Page... e.g. going to http://www. /forumdisplay.php?f=4 works just
fine...

The full text is: Database error
The database has encountered a problem.

Any ideas Roddy?










imron -

merged question with answer.










ipsi() -

Woot. Hadn't realised it was quite so common.










roddy -

Yeah, something odd happened this morning - looks like the server backed itself up four time in
quick succession.










roddy -

Server is hiccuping repeatedly - I've done what I can on my end and have dropped a line to the
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Josh-zhang -

wow, his chinese is really good. BTW, jiasen, ni hao.



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Gestalt -

Here's another video of him doing a TV interview in Mandarin as the newly elected prime minister

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muyongshi -

He's not bad! Not the best at all, but also considering the fact that he no longer lives in China
and probably very infrequently speaks it, I would say that he is doing okay. Yeah maybe it's all
screen prompted but even then....he's not talking monotone so he at least knows whats coming out
of his mouth










yonglin -

Yeh. Definitely some awe factor. Not because his Chinese is brilliant, but because he is a
politician and the freaking prime minister.

I wish some important politicians of my country would have passable foreign language skills....
they'll know some broken English, at best....










self-taught-mba -

Loads faster here:

http://you.video.sina.com.cn/b/8635930-1255849511.html

Commenting on this video:

It's good to see a politician speaking Mandarin it underscores the importance of learning it ( I
hope )

Don't really want this to become a bash contest here. He is able to communicate well enough,
although I think he was going on a little bit towards the end of the interview when the journalist
was trying to bid him farewell and good luck and he kept going. LOL

Tones are off, rhythm is awful, but he is communicating at least. His grammar is probably better
than mine because I have horrible grammar. (Self-taught people like myself sometimes end up
stringing sentences together which would make sense in English anyway, (our students are spared
the mistake!))

I expect better of the students we serve (and myself), but I think it's important to recognize
everyone's accomplishments and background.

Simple word choice mistakes people can learn from though:
he shouldn't use po4shi3 in this case but rather qiang3po4 (unless he possibly meant to say
po4shi4, which is highly doubtful as it is seldom used)
he uses bi3sai4 where jing4zheng1 or xuan3ju3 would be the appropriate choice

Honestly didn't watch the whole thing; skipped through half of it watched parts of the beginning
and the end.

I did like the part where the interviewer was asking him about increased opportunities or
something of that matter for Chinese going to Australia to study etc. with a look on his face that
would make it difficult for anybody to answer - dead serious look.










imron -

I found it amusing how he was speaking in Chinese, and then it would cut to the Chinese
interviewer asking him questions in English, that and when the interviewer addressed him as 老陆.










benjaminbauert -

Alexander Downer was a twerp and an embarassment. Here's to better days!

Happy Australia Day!












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anonymoose -

可惜时间这么短，不过只去两天还比不去好。

Firstly, is this sentence correct?

Secondly, the English version would be something like, "It's a pity the time is so short, but
going for only two days is still better than not going at all." In the English version, the words
"at all" at the end could be omitted, but it sounds more natural with them, as an emphasis for
"not going". Is the Chinese sentence natural as it is, or should there be/is there some way of
emphasising "not going"?

Thanks.



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muyongshi -

There is nothing grammatically incorrect with your sentence but it doesn't sound exactly like the
usage that a native speaker would use.

If you want to add the emphasis then add 更 but I think the meaning is conveyed either way.










coolnicholas -

you should say:"只可惜时间太短了，不过去两天总比不去要好＂．










anonymoose -



Quote:

you should say:"只可惜时间太短了，不过去两天总比不去要好＂．

Thanks, that sounds a lot better. However, I still have a question - why did you move 只 from the
second clause to the first? I think it changes the meaning. Could I say
可惜时间太短了，不过只去两天总比不去要好 instead?










muyongshi -



Quote:

Could I say 可惜时间太短了，不过只去两天总比不去要好 instead?

Putting the 只 at the front does change the meaning a tad and where you had it originally works.
The rest of it sounds better but in the region I live people would be more likely to say 更好 or
just 好 rather than 要好. But on the other hand 要好 is it's own word so do take that into
account.










gato -

In English, the two versions would:
It's a pity that time is so short, but going for ONLY two days is better than not going at all.
vs
The ONLY pity is that time is so short, but going for two days is better than not going at all.

There is a difference in structure between the two, but I'm not sure if there is really
substantive difference in meaning -- maybe just a difference in emphasis.










semantic nuance -



Quote:

Could I say 可惜时间太短了，不过只去两天总比不去要好 instead?

I would say: 可惜時間太短了, 不過就算只去兩天總比不去要好.

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I made a compilation of chinese characters that can be seen from space, these were taken by
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could figure out a few characters "hair" and "people". Any help would be appreciated!

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skylee -

From top right clockwise (the characters in the photos are simplified ones but I write in
traditional characters so they might appear a bit different ) -

只爭朝夕 -> http://www.baidu.com/baidu?ie=gb2312...8E%B3%AF%CF%A6

苦練精兵 -> train an elite army

衛國戎邊 -> protect the country and guard the border

爲人民服務 -> serve the people

排除萬難去爭取勝利 -> get rid of all obstacles to strive for victory

毛主席萬萬嵗 -> long live Chairman Mao

There is not a character meaning "hair".










jun yong -

Thanks! I didnt think there was a "hair" in there! LoL! I wonder why they wanted the sayings to be
seen from space? I'm sure there are alot more.










skylee -

They probably didn't plan for the sayings to be seen from space.










liuzhou -



Quote:

There is not a character meaning "hair".

The character 毛 as in Chairman Mao can also mean hair. Hence the confusion.










skylee -

Oh yes you are right. It is a surname and I didn't realise it.










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Hey, I find it very interesting. would you like to tell me how to do it in google earch?
Those photos are just like X-ray photos.Very Dakula.










Quest -

They look like characters overlayed on satellite images? The proportions and aspect angles are all
very unconvincing...










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Those characters would have to be extremely large unless a very good global surveillance satellite
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i have often come across the word 則 and am wondering what it actually means.
e.g. when explaining 寸草春暉:
[寸草] 是比喻子女，[春暉] 則是比喻父母‧

i think it means "on the other hand" or something similar, but i'm not sure because i can't find
that in the dictionary.

i've also come across 具有(also not in the dictionary). i'm completely clueless as to what this
means.

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According to the Yahoo dictionary, 具有 means 'to be provided with; to have; to possess'.

則 is a particle to link two sentences, it doesn't have much meaning of itself. Can mean
something to the effect of 'so, and, thus' or what else is fitting. In your example, 'but' or 'on
the other hand' would work, or you can leave it untranslated.

I hope this helps!










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Quote:

i've also come across 具有(also not in the dictionary).

Are you sure that's not in the dictionary? Check under ju4you3. Should it actually not be in
there, I'd recommend getting a new dictionary.

則 (ze2) should also be in any dictionary, but not necessarily for the meaning it takes in the
example you provided.










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check it here:


Quote:

(3) 表示相反或对照 [however]

具有


Quote:

◎ 具有 jùyǒu

(1) [possess]∶拥有 [财产、附属物、属性或其他附属的特征等]

具有很大的耐心

(2) [have]∶拥有,保有

这场运动具有深远的历史意义












yeah.right -

the smilar meaning with 就。










82riceballs -

thanks!










mandel1luke -

Yes, you're right, "on the other hand"












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I'll start to teach English in September at college in Changsha and would like to know about your
experience in this matter. How should I behave in classroom? Which teaching methods did you use?

Do you know any good webpages with English teaching materials, especially business Chinese or
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Maybe look for business news stories on the BBC's Learning English site?










simonlaing -

Hey madizi,

Have fun in Hunan, the food is good, nice and spicy. Make sure you go to Zhang Jia Jie, it's
amazing.
Anyway for teaching the key idea is to keep changing the activity every 10-15 minutes so the
students don't get board. If it is like most places you will get a massive class of 30 that you
will only see once a week,
Back in the day I followed this format.
Warm-up 5 -10 minutes
Introduce vocabulary , read, have them read and correct the pronunciation. Apple , banana etc.. 10
minutes
Have a review time? where you ask them personal questions about the topic? What is your favorite
fruit? Which are better Apples or Bananas 10 minutes

The last 20 minutes or so we would play a games, (several on www.genkienglish.net/games.htm, or
Dave's ESL cafe) or make up a funny skit of haggling to reduce the price of fruit or trying to
decide which friut is the best.
Also look for props for your classes. You could buy the fruit your self, or do what I did and
borrow the plastique fruit from the kindergarten. (They have great stuff there)
I played one game using the Water cooler cart and they had to go to different stations ask the
price , buy so many of something and calculate it. I had a stop watch and had a couple of teams do
it to compete it was a riot. )

Be careful of making your classes to fun other teachers will come to investigate and check with a
glare, how can you learn when they are laughing so much.

Bring clipart and or ESL books if you can because you won't find quality ones in China.

BE prepared to be a rockstar,
Have fun,
Simon










madizi -

Thank you both. Simon, you helped me a lot.

I did teaching before in Slovenian university, teaching Chinese. But I didn't teach English
before. I assume that teaching English is not the same as teaching Chinese.

I'll have classes with 50 students in each of them. I hope that I'll get a classroom with
multimedia (computer, LCD projector, speakers,...), but I don't know if I could get it, so I have
to be prepared for ordinary class with blackboard and chalk.

So, I have to be rockstar? OK, let's rock......

Any other ideas or experiences?










Rincewind -

College students tend to have longer attention spans than high school, so you can maybe expand
some ideas. I used to have a class at a University where they had me teaching the same students
for 4 hours back to back then the next day a different group of students for another 4 hours
continuous English. That took quite a bit of preparation as you had to have plenty of material to
keep talking for 4 hours.

The British Council web site at http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/ has be a source of many of my
lesson plans. The BBC worldservice has a teachers resource at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/le...achingenglish/ and https://www.onestopenglish.com/ has
some. There are loads more sites, just Google for 'teach English' or similar.

Always write your lesson plan. That way you can reuse them later. Always be prepared for the
unexpected. Have two lessons planed so if one flops you can do the other. Especially true if you
have a multimedia based lesson and the computer/projector/dvd decides not to play fair.

Make picture flash cards for the vocabulary. They work with college students just as well as with
kindergarten. You can also use them to make games and activities.

Put variety into your class. I'm often told to teach only spoken English. I never obey this. I
need to use a little bit of reading or writing to break the tedium and keep the students
attention. I just keep such activities short. If you make the class varied in this way, I find the
students don't pester me for a game.

Find a text book to use. I'm currently using the Interchange English range published by Cambridge
Uni Press. You can buy it in china for about 40 yuan of a bit more for the teachers version. There
are many other popular books. Your college might recommend one. You can then use this book as a
syllabus for your lessons. It also gives you a source of exercises that you can adapt and expand.










madizi -

Thank you.

Do you know of any internet site or Windows application for flashcards?

And yes, I was told to teach pronunciation, but I think that I won't stick to that. Besides
reading and writting, it would be also nice to review grammar. But then, my preparations would be
very time consuming. I don't know how to decide.....












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Apparently according to 中药 baby pee is suppose to have some type of medicinal value...I don't
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Yep I read them as well. Always good to know what's out there if I ever get around to finding the
time to study.










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this book 普通话测试辅导与训练, isbn 7-301-11079-0 北京大学出版社.

Picked this up on your recommendation as I need a bunch of pronunciation exercises. Seems very
good, lots of . . . well, pronunciation exercises. Pinyin for most, but not all. Came with 4 cds,
almost three hours worth. Not bad for 30Y. I'd probably recommend BLCU's 汉语语音教程 over
this as that's geared up to foreign learners rather than people from '方言区' like this, but it
does have better quality audio and the info on the problems people with different dialects have is
kind of interesting.










heifeng -

Yeah! Roddy jumped on the 'torture myself with pronunciation practices' train. The only bad thing
about that book is the cd's don't cover the langdu, so you can download them from this link










roddy -

They don't? That might be a problem if I ever open the book. Thanks for the tip.










heifeng -

Ok, I finally found this link where I recommended another book. Anyway, this is another
pronunciation book that comes with tapes, (not part of the 12.50 yuan though) and is used at some
schools to help 纠正发音

Does the book you refer to address foreign students from many backgrounds and have langdu
passages? I found that some books, for example the HSK 前强化-口式（高等）tends to
address Japanese and Korean pronunciation problems, but that was it. Overall, I have never seen
any advice I have received from teachers in pronunciation textbooks. However, I have had some
great teachers with very good experience that could point out the 'western' students pronunciation
problems right away. (Aside from tones it was usually an issue of speaking too much from our
throats and not letting the sounds really come out form the front of our mouths... etc.). Many of
my teachers definitely recommend reading outloud.

Oh, yeah FYI during the putonghua exam, my friend was able to randomly draw two langdu readings,
and then from the two, pick which one she wanted to do. (She avoided number 7 or something,
whichever one it was with alot of numbers).

Secondly, her exam didn't include that one 'optional' section for fangyan speakers.










cdn_in_bj -

Sorry to jump in here, but why is it called "langdu"?










roddy -

I think it mentions western students, Japanese, Korean, and Thai. It doesn't go into a great deal
of detail though, it's more just a case of 'students from country X may have trouble with sound A.
So be careful.'










imron -



Quote:

Sorry to jump in here, but why is it called "langdu"?

朗读










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Thanks Imron!












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I like the last sentense: If rainbow is the symble of our colorful and rich life, white will be as
the perfect foil to differnent colors, which make life more colorful.










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hehe, I believe you will take more beautiful pictures soon.












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Quote:

I prefer a word that describes the action of diving because "slant down" doesn't have the dynamics
contained in "dive" or "plunge"

Then try 飛縱 -> 今天我看見一道彩虹飛縱進海洋裏。 You see it starts in the sky
and then the band of colours lengthens, goes down, glittering, shimmering, and then fshhh it
plunges into the ocean.

飛 = to fly

縱 = 縱身

The best measure word for rainbows is 道.



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Myriam -

ooooh...nooooo...I just saw the mistake I made @ post # 13!!!
I copied and pasted the wrong character, it should be :
我今天看見一道彩虹倾入大海。

Thank you for your suggestion Skylee but I prefer 倾入.



---
edit : I copied the right character - the one I wanted to copy - but pasted it in the wrong place,
over the wrong question mark . I started the thread with simplified script, why should I switch to
Trad. all of a sudden .










h.way -

hi Myriam,
I think you should not tanslate the phrase into Chinese word by word ,the way you translate is so
directly.In Chinese wo seek for a more consise and poetic way to express meaning,not only base on
the sentence stucture










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Quote:


Originally Posted by Myriam

Chenpv, I don't need this kind of comment : "Yeah, in terms of my limited understandings of both
languages." I know you don't mean you have a limited understanding of your mother tongue so,
please, if you could refrain from doing that in the future I'd be much obliged to you. too.


謹記！ It was just ... I did worry, without referring to authentic resources, my understanding
could be misleading sometimes. What is more, there are many many native speakers (even non-native
speakers) in this forum, whose Chinese surpasses mine and whose explanations are more valuable,
and I just hesitated to answer that question in an over affirmative way...










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Quote:

Semantic nuance suggested "slant down" towards the ocean but I prefer a word that describes the
action of diving because "slant down" doesn't have the dynamics contained in "dive" or "plunge"

It's quite all right that you would want to describe the action by using words like 'diving' or
'plunge'. You misunderstood what I was driving at. I just said the word 傾 means 'slant down' as
the online dictionary defines. Since 'slant down' does not fit the dynamics you prefer, 傾, as I
said, is a quite strange verb here. 傾 does not have any indication or implication of 'plunge'
but 'slant down'.


Quote:

wow...I feel like I'm being bullied by people who absolutely don't want me to have a rainbow
diving into the ocean!!

There, there! People won't have any problem with your wishing a rainbow, be it diving or plunging
into sea. What we were doing is to help you to find out the appropriate translations.



Quote:

Chenpv, I know you don't mean you have a limited understanding of your mother tongue

Wow! So that means you don't have a limited understanding of your mother tongue? I cannot be so
sure of myself, though.










Myriam -

yeah yeah....I'm the only one who noticed my mistake, I'm happy I did.










madizi -

I'm just curious, why did you posted such question in tatoo section? Do you want to have such long
tatoo?










Myriam -

Madizi, I posted my question in the " Chinese Tattoos, Chinese Names and Quick Translations"
section, thanks for cheering me up ().










中国人逛海外论坛 -

your"" is ok ,but i think the best is "今天，我看见一道彩虹跃出海面",this is not
only ok ,but excellent.And your sentence should better be
"今天我看到了一个彩虹倾没于海洋里”excuse me for my poor english.










skylee -



Quote:

but i think the best is "今天，我看见一道彩虹跃出海面",this is not only ok ,but
excellent.

自己讚自己excellent，不會臉紅嗎？

PS - If you were praising the sentence in this post, then I apologise for not having read the who
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skylee -

It is a beautiful name. Reminds me of Moses' sister Miriam.



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Reminds me of Moses' sister Miriam.

Or maybe this Miriam :










skylee -

Indeed.










Quest -

I suppose someone could have made up a type of song called 念经歌, and someone was singing it,
so it became 唱 念经歌. It's not popular vocabulary.










Myriam -

I know this expression is far from elegant, but I'm a bit surprised by all this reluctance towards
trying to perceive the analogy between what could be called an excessively introverted "scenic
language" and the traditional rendition of 念经歌s. The girl who told me this and wanted me to
remember this phrase as an expression is Buddhist like her mum and she follows the traditions. And
when she said "we" it meant she and all her friends.










skylee -

Then perhaps you could try to say it to people outside the girl's circle and see if they
understand it and accept it. I am outside your friend's circle and I find it odd and unacceptable.
And I have been speaking Cantonese and living in Cantonese-speaking HK for over 3 decades and I
have not heard of such an expression. That's all.










Quest -

Where is(are) your Cantonese friend(s) from? It might be a small circle vocab.












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Qiuyue -

Hi

I am in need of books, DVDs and the like to be used in a seminar on "sex and relations in china".
I have searched on Amazon a lot, and found many interesting academic textbooks.
I would, however, also like to read a few novels (modern or antique : ) and watch movies that
could illustrate or raise thoughts on this topic. Study-material that is (yes, there will be real
stories invovled as well )

So, all recommendations are highly appreciated

Thanks



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gougou -

I guess I can't help you with the primary aim of your search, but this (just came in through
Danwei today) might come in handy.










gato -

Are you teaching it in China? To what kind of students? Can you give us some examples of what you
are going to teach?










furyou_gaijin -

Judging by the title, I thought this thread was about finding a 'girl-friend' for purposes of
studying the language... Highly recommended.










MartinF -

"sex and relations in china"

well I recommend all kinds of things. First some DVD's:

these are the English titles (or romanization of Chinese titles). You will have to find the
Chinese titles if you want to find them in China:

"Ju Dou" village life, marriage and infidelity. Starring Gong Li.
"In the mood for love" Hong Kong city life in the 1960's, marriage, infidelity. Starring Chow
Mo-wan (Tony Leung) and Su Li-zhen (Maggie Cheung).
"Beijing Bicycle" teenage love in modern Beijing.
"Chungking Express" Hong Kong city life in the 1990's. Frustrated, unrequited love.

One common theme in most of these movies is unrequited love. Meaning love is never consummated.
Oh, and lot of frustrated people who can't communicate with eachother. So in many of these movies
sex never actually happens because nobody actually tells their partner how they feel. Or nobody
acts on their feelings. It's a little strange for westerners because we almost always tell
eachother how we feel. We tend to be more proactive about dating and sex. It's OK for women to
make the first move.

I also have an American friend in Beijing. We both used to work at Disney on animated films. He
moved to Beijing and he writes an advice column for Chinese students with love problems. It's
pretty good. Here are links to some of his columns, so far. He writes for some English language
newspaper in Beijing.

http://mfoster.smugmug.com/gallery/3...170483444-O-LB
http://mfoster.smugmug.com/gallery/3...170483521-O-LB
http://mfoster.smugmug.com/gallery/3...170483561-O-LB
http://mfoster.smugmug.com/gallery/3...170483480-O-LB

Finally, I also have some experience in this area and can compare it to western "sex and
relations" in quite a lot of detail. You probably should e-mail me on some specifics, if you want.

Martin










yonitabonita -

Hey,

I gave a lecture on this very topic several years back. I can't for the hell of me find my
bibliography, but a few names come to mind:

- Judith Farquar, "Food and Sex in Post- Industrialist China".

- Jianying Zha by Jianying Zha, "China Pop: How Soap Operas, Tabloids and Bestsellers Are
Transforming a Culture"

- Mu zi mei - If you do a google search on her, you'll probably find some very interesting
material. She basically had sex with a heap of guys and posted her secrets all over the internet.
The internet readership of her blog was phenomenal. So, the whole phenomenon was very telling in
terms of the development of sex in China - if you compare sexual attitudes in China in the 70's to
that of today, (ok, Muzimei was 5 years ago now), there's arguably a huge change.

- Shanghai Baby will give you a perspective on sex in China.

- Roman Weber, "Made in China" talks about youth underground, and there's something in his book
about sex.

I hope this helps.

Y

edit: whoops, I just realised you didn't need any academic texts. Should read more carefully.










gato -

Check out this video about speed dating:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Ra_BgL3mIfw/










jonaspony -

I am interested in how Asian women have become sexual commodities in the West - why all the
interest in Asian sex? Why has the phrase "me love you longtime" become so entrenched in English
language that I found it as a label on a dog's rawhide chewtoy? Why are reports of Chinese sex
habits such world news that the BBC reports them at about two-yearly intervals? (When the
extramarital-sex statistics are investigated further it shows the change is far less significant
than they propose i.e. most of the extramarital sex occurs between people who later were married).

China's sexual history is colouful and titillating. But does it seem to anyone else that
Westerners have a slightly morbid desire to see China become Western, and most importantly, to
adopt Western morals? That modernisation is not enough - that it must be Westernised?










Qiuyue -

Thank you all so much for quick and informative responses.

As for the seminar, it is kind of privately organised, with foreign students attending.

I hadn´t heard about "China Pop", but also it is already more than a decade since it was written,
it might be outdated??

"Shanghai baby" is certainly on my list, but I think I need something to "counter" that one. I am
absolutely sure it is not representative of the life of girls and boys, men and women in more
"remote" (as it is called...) areas.
And I think my biggest challenge is to find material on those more ordinary people of the villages
and smaller and poorer towns of China. Maybe "Private life under socialism" at least could give
som historical insights.


Has anyone read "The culture of sex in ancient china" (rakita goldin)?










simonlaing -

Dear Qiuyue,

If your chinese is up to par, there is a good recent 3 years old , movie called cell phone or
shouji 手机 about how the advances in cell phone empower wives of VIP people like this talk show
host to find out about lovers and even get evidence to black mail people.

Also I wonder if a look at the law codes might help, often if divorces are not mutual they can
take a very long time, so the man often can set the terms , even sometime keeping custody of
children who get promptly sent to the grandparents for being raised.

There is are still issues surrounding divorce in China, with certain official univerisities nad
other government agenicies limiting promotion in their jobs,
have fun,
Simon












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Quote:

You cannot *book* a return date more than that far in advance, however I believe you should be
able to change the dates up to a year from your departuare date, you just have to wait until it
gets closer to that date before changing

Some airlines will give you the date change free if you mention that their online booking engine
doesn't allow return dates within 12m of departure but more than 12m from now. Just get an email
confirming this.

If you can find a reasonable single fare now, & have any interest whatsoever in heading south , in
a years time, you might be able to get a cheap singles home from there with oasis hongkong or just
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Poemba -

Hey guys, I know this is an old post but with the new regulations I was wondering if anything
concerning this subject has changed.
I wonder if it's still possible to book a one way ticket and get an X visa. Since I want to study
in China for one year and travel a bit, I can't book any return tickets. I want to go to china
from the 20th of August till the beginning of August next year. I hope that's possible since my
school ends in july or so, but I want to travel around a bit before I go home.










Lu -

I'd buy a year ticket, a return ticket that is valid for one year. In your case that is just
enough (end of August to beginning of August, right?). You have to set a return date when you buy
it, but you can almost always change that later on, although you may have to pay a bit extra (ask
the airline before you buy the ticket to make sure).

En sukses met het regelen van een visum.










Poemba -

Hi Lu,

Thanks for the info!! En met dat visum moet het wel goed komen












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limaygolf, and also Raye, it would help if you could explain to people what's so good about the
magazines you recommend. For an example, have a look at wushijiao's post above!



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I've come across this staff magazine "Word Power / 文訊" which I find interesting. It is
published by the HK government department responsible for languages/translation and covers
different topics mainly on the use of the Chinese language. Being a staff magazine it is fairly
easy to read. But as you can expect, it is in traditional Chinese. There are also a few columns
written in English in each issue.

The electronic versions of the magazine can be found here ->
http://www.csb.gov.hk/english/publication/2006.html

My recommendation obviously does not meet the Admin's requirement in #11, but I hate it when
people tell me what / how to write.










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Quote:

My recommendation obviously does not meet the Admin's requirement in #11

Actually I think you're recommendation is great! You describe what's in the magazine, and I'm able
to decide whether I'm interested in a matter of seconds.

I am sure that the magazines that Raye and limaygolf suggest are great, too, but by just reading
their posts, I couldn't judge whether those magazines might be interesting for me or not (even
though I can take somewhat of a guess what 中国国家地理 might be about... )












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介意
when somegbody do something wrong(more or less)to you ,if you don't care about,that means
"你不介意"

在意
when someone do something is not important to you,if you don't care about ,that means"你不在意"

my words is not according to the grammar ,just ah...we used to.



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my words is not according to the grammar ,just ah...we used to.


As I'm thinking along the line of what you're saying, I don't 在意/ 在乎 what the grammar may
say.












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ipsi() -

I'm vaguely interested in acquiring 红楼梦、三国演义、水浒传和西游记, but
preferably as Ebooks. They seem old enough that they're no longer in copyright I don't suppose
anyone knows if they exist in the format for Palm eReader? Or even just if they exist in
electronic form at all?

Also, my Chinese is not good enough to understand them yet, I'm merely looking into this because I
can.

Actually, while I'm at it, does anyone know if there are electronic versions of other famous texts
floating around? Along with a list of famous texts?

Thanks all!

- ipsi



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Palm Reader or any other actual ebook format I don't think so - in fact, if you know of any Palm
format which will read Chinese characters, let me know.

However, finding the books themselves shouldn't be too hard - I turned up one just by searching
for the title, and I suspect the others will be easy too - try adding dianzishu or dianziban
(where's my characters gone! ) as well.

That's in HTML format and there's also a download. What you'll need to do to get that onto your
palm is basically do some copying and pasting into a word document and then read it via docs to go
- not ideal, but it works. Best thing to do is transfer the file to an SD card and then put it in
your palm - using the docs to go or palm file transfer programs can sometimes cause problems. Also
make sure you've got English file names.










ipsi() -

Actually, I've found that by using CJK OS, I can read Simplified Chinese (and probably
Traditional, but that's an unknown factor) by doing the following:

Write a text file using Palm's Markup Language
Save that text file in GB2312 encoding, run it through palms eBook creation software, hot-sync,
make sure that CJK OS is enabled, and away you go. Of course, if you want to read a non-Chinese
Ebook then I'd recommend disabling CJK OS as it seems to interfere with eReader. And mixing
Chinese and English would be a bad idea as CJK OS intereferes with the English.

What actually hurts is that I can't view Pinyin. I'm not sure what software I'd need to install,
but it doesn't seem to be happy about it.

Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll download that and have a play around.

Huh. Simply going to http://book.myrice.com/gd/novels/ would appear to give me exactly what I just
asked for. How about that? The only exception is that 西游记 isn't bundled, but it's only a few
HTML files, so I'll survive.

I'll have a look at writing something to convert them to the eReader format, so I can carry them
around with me.

Oh, and what's 三言两刻, and 其他作品 (EDIT: Adso told me 其他作品)?

Thanks,

- ipsi










studentyoung -



Quote:

Oh, and what's 三言两刻



Quote:

“三言”即《喻世明言》、《警世通言》、《醒世恒言》的合称。

http://baike.baidu.com/view/77569.htm “三言”

“二刻”指的应该是“二拍”


Quote:

中国拟话本小说集《初刻拍 案惊奇》和《二刻拍案惊奇》的合称。

http://baike.baidu.com/view/27371.htm “二拍”

Thanks!










ipsi() -

Thanks.

Roddy: I was kinda right. I can create Ebooks that are readable, but some characters just aren't
encoded properly, and I'm not sure why. I also can't parse it as easily as I would like as the
damn fools didn't use a standard markup between books (within books, it seems to be ok)... They
also didn't use Chinese punctuation, so I see <<...>> instead of 《...》, which is a pain when
you're using an XML processor...

I'll play around a bit more at some point and see if I can get it displaying properly, as there's
no real point if I can't.










roddy -

If you get anywhere stick them on here, they'll be appreciated. However, in my experience of Palm
PDAs and Chinese, desperately clinging to the first solution that works and not trying to do
anything clever is generally the way to go. I'd either put them into a word doc or read them via
Blazer. One advantage of this is that both Docs to Go and Blazer work with Plecodict's Instant
Access, which makes life a lot easier.










ipsi() -

Yeah, I noticed that I can't get Pleco's Instant Access working with the Ebook readers.
Admittedly, it doesn't matter if CJKOS is enabled or not, it's fucked up either way. I'll have a
look on Pleco's forums tomorrow, see if I can find anything to shed some light.

If you're interested in having them as an eBook, the best way I've found is to either mark up with
the Palm Markup Language, save it in GB2312, and convert it like that, or to not mark it up at
all, and use Mobipocket Creator (Actually, you can probably mark it up as an HTML file. Not sure
how well that'll work though. Will test more later).

The one thing I've found, though, is that you need to have a space between each character,
otherwise it just won't work. Mobipocket seems slightly better. eReader files seem to drop the
occasional character somehow, even when they don't touch exactly the same character to the left or
right (and given that there's spaces on each side of every character, it seems a bit weird...).










gato -



Quote:

Yeah, I noticed that I can't get Pleco's Instant Access working with the Ebook readers.
Admittedly, it doesn't matter if CJKOS is enabled or not, it's fucked up either way. I'll have a
look on Pleco's forums tomorrow, see if I can find anything to shed some light.

TealDoc is the only doc reader that works with "instant access", I think (outside of DocsToGo and
Blazer, that is).










ipsi() -

Interesting. Is there a particular reason for this, and thus some way to figure out what will work
with Instant Access?










gato -

I think Mike Love is the person to ask. It's probably due to hackiness of PalmOS.












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